Not a show I'm familiar with at all, but it sounds like a good example of why the writing and the fan sides of a show really should be kept utterly separate - which is, I think, one of the great strengths of TW/DW, that they're aware of fandom but deliberately choose to ignore it. Which makes sense (and is certainly what I'd do in their situation!) - the current creative teams are long-time fans themselves and likely well aware of some of the mindsets involved. They're not going to get flattered by the attention!
It sounds like LFM had a messy ending there and was rightly loathed for it, but CoE followed on quite nicely from previous series, for me. And it's not as if it was hated by everybody in fandom - I'm a TW fan, always have been, saw the cinematic previews for s1 and s3, was writing fanfic for the show 6 months before there was a show, and I bloody loved it: no scorched earth issues there! :) Some fans like some aspects, some like others, but for me, at least, the fundamentals are still there and the show is now in a position to change and evolve to suit its new audience. And the non-fannish viewers - who are, after all, the vast majority and the target audience - seemed to love it!
(Note: I like both slash and het, though I usually write gen. For me, the show is about Jack and his immortality, about Gwen and her (and Rhys) becoming a part of his world, and about the Institute itself over time - I adore the underlying sense of history to it, the fact that the 'team' is a fluid and ever-changing thing. And just as it has the history, it has a future, and I'd quite like to see it evolve away from the "five people in a Cardiff basement" format (much as I loved the first two series) into something bigger and more BBC1-friendly. And new fans will come and some old ones go and that's just the way it should be... :))
Thank you for this thought-provoking thread!
You're welcome. :) It just seems so odd to me that a lot of what I found so exciting about the shows I grew up with - the real sense of danger, the fact that things did change and characters die - are now considered such utter no-nos by some online. But if everything always remains the same, it just makes the show dull and the characters uninvolving.
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It sounds like LFM had a messy ending there and was rightly loathed for it, but CoE followed on quite nicely from previous series, for me. And it's not as if it was hated by everybody in fandom - I'm a TW fan, always have been, saw the cinematic previews for s1 and s3, was writing fanfic for the show 6 months before there was a show, and I bloody loved it: no scorched earth issues there! :) Some fans like some aspects, some like others, but for me, at least, the fundamentals are still there and the show is now in a position to change and evolve to suit its new audience. And the non-fannish viewers - who are, after all, the vast majority and the target audience - seemed to love it!
(Note: I like both slash and het, though I usually write gen. For me, the show is about Jack and his immortality, about Gwen and her (and Rhys) becoming a part of his world, and about the Institute itself over time - I adore the underlying sense of history to it, the fact that the 'team' is a fluid and ever-changing thing. And just as it has the history, it has a future, and I'd quite like to see it evolve away from the "five people in a Cardiff basement" format (much as I loved the first two series) into something bigger and more BBC1-friendly. And new fans will come and some old ones go and that's just the way it should be... :))
Thank you for this thought-provoking thread!
You're welcome. :) It just seems so odd to me that a lot of what I found so exciting about the shows I grew up with - the real sense of danger, the fact that things did change and characters die - are now considered such utter no-nos by some online. But if everything always remains the same, it just makes the show dull and the characters uninvolving.